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people from sunny San Diego I'm Greg

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Carl wood and for years we've been

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speaking with researchers and experts in

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an effort to better understand the

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secrets and mysteries of the world

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one being the existence of non-human

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entities and we've heard many different

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perspectives on this along the way some

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say they're aliens coming here from a

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distant world some say they're more

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likely spiritual beings from another

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dimension of some kind some in a bowl by

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ritual magic others will tell you

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they're a product of dimethyltryptamine

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in the brain and a few will even suggest

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that these superior beings are the true

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masters of our earthly terrarium and the

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farmers of human crops from facilities

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deep underground or on the Dark Side of

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we also speculate about government

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involvement do deep state military

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contractors have alien artifacts and

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and portal places to secret societies

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maintain some type of contact with

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things non-human is NASA a bland vanilla

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overlay to something much more foreign

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than the masses can take obviously these

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are the things we wonder about and we

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may never get the full picture but it's

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clear that it can't all amount to

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nothing well one of the hottest hot

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spots for high strangeness is the vast

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deserts of the American Southwest where

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we find heightened activity along

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certain parallels but also more

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specifically near the place they call

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skinwalker ranch in rural Utah a place

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that spiked a notoriety in the 90s after

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some strange experiences came to light

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and the ranch ended up being purchased

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by billionaire Robert Bigelow who in the

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years since has rocketed to the

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forefront of private aerospace

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operations a reality that many believe

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is connected to the intense study of

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this paranormally potent area

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folks today's guest Ryan Patrick Burns

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has told me that much has changed since

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then and he would know as several years

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ago he reorganized his life to focus on

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the pursuit of these mysteries operating

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a quaint tranquil rustic

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bed-and-breakfast by day and exploring

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the vastness of the landscape by night

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he now has a rolodex of experiences that

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blows more Minds than the US military

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rubbing elbows with top researchers and

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connected contractors meeting with

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Navajo elders that claim to be

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skinwalkers themselves seeing Dogman men

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in black and even being shot by beams of

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light from orbs in the sky all while

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keeping tabs on the ranch its

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surrounding area and the changing of the

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guard that recently took place he writes

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about all these experiences and more and

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his two published books on the subject

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skinwalker and Beyond and the Utah UFO

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ranch but he also has a third book in

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the works which I have had the privilege

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of reading before its release that

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brings the latest and greatest to the

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table as well and I can't wait to dive

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into it the Utah UFO ranch researcher

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and paranormal portal pursuer mr. burns

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welcome to the higher side thank you so

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much Greg amazing introduction thanks I

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try and I am so psyched to do this in

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fact we're sitting here now because you

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happen to be a plus member who left a

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comment on one of the shows it said hit

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me up for an NDA free skinwalker ranch

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episode and I was intrigued by that I

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reached out and you shared not only your

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two most recent books but also some

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privileged photos and videos some which

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do show strange-looking canines not

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exactly humanoid but not very typical

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either but also maybe the best footage

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of seeing an opening and closing portal

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like thing that I've seen pretty wild

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stuff and I'm really glad we ended up

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here to get the ball rolling

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I guess tell us a little bit about how

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you ended up in that area and maybe give

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us a bit more context for why the area

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is so special absolutely the area is

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special for a variety of reasons but to

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answer your first question I was a fly

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fishing guide in the area this was back

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in the mid 90s before there was an

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as property at the epicenter of it all

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or the area general had these unique

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traits and I had a situation where I saw

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a light in the sky I ended up getting

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injured and to make a long story short I

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was just driving around because I

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couldn't work looking for fishing spots

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stuff like that and I drove right down

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the ranch road there was no gates back

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then there was a older Native American I

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couldn't tell if they were male or

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female and they just didn't look very

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good hmm they looked bedraggled

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they had a Navajo blanket over them

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which is odd now in retrospect because

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this is youth country and I stopped

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trying to be to get Samaritan and I

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rolled out my window and said hey can I

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give you a ride somewhere it said

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nothing it just kind of crept into the

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vehicle and within seconds it was like

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how I was having my rolodex just

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completely access like I'd been hacked

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and everything just mind rape really

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like just accessing all your files and

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it was just phenomenal like horrible and

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emotional experience the way it ended up

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is I was found at bottl Hollow reservoir

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by the Bureau of Indian Affairs

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basically my truck was parked and I was

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hanging out of the driver door with my

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seat belt holding me in just catatonic

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and I guess they woke me up and I came

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right to they knew right away I was a

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drunk did the tests and basically said

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what happened and when I told them they

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said we think he got nap by the

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skinwalker well I've never heard that

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term before wow man that's pretty a

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while that's pretty well even that

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someone like that would disclose to you

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that that would be a possibility but

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that seems to be par for the course in

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this area right I mean this is the

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hottest of hot spots yeah it really is

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and in speaking with law enforcement

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I've had the pleasure of doing that just

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when you're going to the same spots

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thousands of times they get to know you

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and usually the Bureau of Indian Affairs

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is the first call and so you know

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they're constantly running your ID and

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they start to chat with eventually

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they'll start telling you stories that

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you know just make the hair on your neck

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stand up hmm I love it man and to talk

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about Robert Bigelow and the ranch

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itself I think people know that this is

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a hotbed for high strangeness we have

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this provocative story of a billionaire

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buying the secluded ranch and investing

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a huge amount of money in military-style

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security but can you elaborate on the

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backstory a bit for people who are only

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vaguely familiar with it as you said

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when you got there and you had this

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initial experience there were no gates

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and fences and security drones up but

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things have changed get us from point A

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to point B yeah Robert Bigelow purchased

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the ranch in an effort to attain

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something that was very unique at the

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time and like I said it was basically a

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family being completely bombarded by

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this dormant land that had been laying

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there it's like they came and knocked

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the dust off of it so to speak and

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there's immediately a multitude of

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triptans illogical poltergeist activity

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UFOs unidentified smaller craft

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strange humanoids portals opening up you

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name it

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tons of for lack of better word men with

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the heads of dogs and it's just

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fascinating

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Bigelow attacked this he spearheaded

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this huge campaign getting the best

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minds aiming them in the direction of

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this and attacking it through scientific

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method and unfortunately what was found

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was that it could care less about

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scientific and it can use every

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exception to the rule to its benefit and

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we've absolutely no trace in itself hmm

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and I've seen a lot of footage and

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pictures of the space itself it does

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just seemed like barren land kind of as

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you said of course there are some

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facilities but this is a lot of acreage

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that's just kind of open out there but

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there are some weird elements to it like

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the bait pens these little pens that

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seem set up in the middle of clearings

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to kind of maybe put a goat or a cow in

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there and see what happens obviously

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cattle mutilations are in the mix of all

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this weirdness but what can you say

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about maybe some of the things that

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you've seen out there you know happen to

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be out there that kind of add to the

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mystery yeah the area is just so unique

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from a historical perspective it's

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cursed land and then it also has curses

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going back and forth between Buffalo

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Soldiers who were stationed there to

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control fort duchesne and the ute tribe

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that was there at the time and most of

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those Prince Hall Mason's

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Buffalo Soldiers were also practicing

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voodoo and so there was curses going

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back the other way add to that there was

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like an underlying curse from the Navajo

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upon the ute the youth trying to screw

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the Navajo over in a lot of ways and

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everything from getting ripped out of

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the San Luis Valley of Colorado which is

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also very paranormal to being added to

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the slave trade anyway there was this

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curse that was placed upon them known as

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the curse of the skinwalker so this is

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underlying all of this and

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geographically you have this like array

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of ridge lines that are phenomenally

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gorgeous rugged and they're very porous

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and so right along the same stream

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the central Utah project decided to put

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huge powerlines massive power lines and

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they're old and aging at this point and

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their shells have cracked the EMF coming

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off of them is just phenomenal and then

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you have the seeping water coming

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through this otherwise very porous

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sandstone from bottle hollow reservoir

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down towards the ridge itself and

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everything just kind of erupts right

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there Wow and to go back to the comment

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that kind of got us here when you

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mentioned an NDA free skinwalker episode

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in your writings you do talk about

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hosting jacques palais at your place and

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plenty of contacts within the inner

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circle of scientific researchers that

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you've made over the years and i'm not

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sure if you heard my show with diana

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basilica about her book american cosmic

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but in the same way you seem to have a

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few contacts that you can't name and

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know a few things that you can't

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disclose but i guess i'd ask what can

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you say about the invisible college so

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to speak yes

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interestingly i have become more and

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more as time goes on aware some of these

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secret societies that for lack of a

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better word i say they're secret

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societies because people are aware some

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of them are actually government units

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there's more occult organizations others

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are more religious in nature and I'm

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mostly fascinated with one of your

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freakin bests Nick Redford we've spoken

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about some of the situations and we're

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under the same impression that we're

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dealing with this Collins and Lee if you

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will of the government and it's highly

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funded and well-known but not in the way

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that they actually know who the members

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are but it's just they're aware it

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exists hmm so we hear secret and

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oftentimes we think nefarious and I'm

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trying to get out of that specific

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context because that's not always true

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and if there is a mysterious place on

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the planet and some billionaire buys it

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and quarantines it off and a bunch of

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high-level academics and scientists come

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and study it and don't talk about it I

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mean that's not necessarily nefarious

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it's not like they're doing anything

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they're just trying to figure out what

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this thing is and it's outside of the

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confines of what society will accept

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maybe there's some manipulation there

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but that's kind of outside of their

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realm they can't really do much about

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that what are your thoughts about the

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morality or just these people that you

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do know and you have met and the fact

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that this is all big secret it's

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fascinating it's like the biggest secret

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never told it is literally this

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tongue-in-cheek

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there's just camaraderie the deeper you

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get and it's almost like I know you know

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and I say this because as time goes on

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I've noticed that I've started joining

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its many fringe science organizations I

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can I'm studying the you know remote

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viewing as much as I can practicing it

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as much as I can getting into a lot of

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these perceptions that are otherwise not

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attained by the majority of the

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population and the reason is I think a

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lot of the terms that secret societies

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use for example and the less let's put

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it this way the open-minded to ancient

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teachings of Egyptian Elysian type

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organizations mm-hmm what you find is

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they're open to contact with other

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entities and I find with some of the

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most mind-blowing things like the

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warnings I've gotten are you know you

355
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got to be careful and this is from very

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high level individual who he's into

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intelligence special access programs

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Special Forces training but anyway back

359
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to the special access program protocol

360
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that's been placed on the ranch this is

361
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not privy to any Freedom of Information

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Act request ever and the

363
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this is elevating the extent of this

364
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project to a level that is saved for

365
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things like extracting the president

366
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from dangerous situations so you know

367
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it's equal to that you start realizing

368
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that it's serious stuff and he's warning

369
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me that I should beware of opening

370
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biochemical portals and I had to ask him

371
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what does that mean and he's like well

372
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there's concerns that individuals are

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able to enhance open or help these

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entities there are these portals just

375
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manifest and they have a shortlist of

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people that are on that Wow a shortlist

377
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of people who are actually able to help

378
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these portals open and close and help

379
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these entities work with them correct

380
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it's like anybody that's probably worked

381
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at the property immediately is going to

382
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be on that list anyone that's been

383
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thought of trespassing on that property

384
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is gonna be on the list just recently

385
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last week I heard of something where

386
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footage was gathered of somebody going

387
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on the property and literally doing a

388
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ritual at one of the ranch houses hmm

389
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leaving candles behind and there was

390
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speculation as to who this individual

391
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could be because the ability to get in

392
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and to do this with the screening and

393
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the extreme security that's in place

394
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it's like Bourne Ultimatum stuff so it's

395
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interesting yeah you really got to know

396
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someone to be in that position and then

397
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to be comfortable enough with the people

398
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at that level to say hey you know what

399
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let's try a ritual out here let's do

400
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some some you know iñaki invocations out

401
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here and let's see what happens I mean

402
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for them to be open to that it is quite

403
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jarring to the average person to hear

404
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about that but I think it's all in the

405
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mix there's so many connections to the

406
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occult and it's really hard it's it kind

407
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of a trick of language when you're

408
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talking about entities from somewhere

409
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else

410
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aliens or demons I mean if they are not

411
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traveling physically then they're

412
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probably traveling multi-dimensionally

413
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and then how do you define the

414
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difference you know

415
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it's it gets really murky with the

416
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language to define these things and we

417
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want to put them in boxes but maybe we

418
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don't have the appropriate box yes I

419
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think that's exactly true it's a lot

420
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like I think Hunter s Thompson had a

421
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saying that's something like I wish I

422
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would have figured out to go with the

423
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magnets instead of against the magnetism

424
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and you know I only say that because

425
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there are remote viewers Psychonauts

426
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people with ESP they have a full time

427
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psychic who is there to protect against

428
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potential attacks I had the unfortunate

429
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or fortunate very it was amazing

430
00:19:03,690 --> 00:19:00,989
experience meeting this individual

431
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strange way I was in a parking lot

432
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speaking with another researcher in

433
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these two black Suburbans tour in and

434
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stopped right next to us and I apologize

435
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there was only one black suburban we

436
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thought others - there's only one and it

437
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was one of the owners of the property

438
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known owners and this psychic next to

439
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them and you know they just started

440
00:19:26,609 --> 00:19:24,999
talking he was talking to this

441
00:19:29,219 --> 00:19:26,619
individual who was under a

442
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non-disclosure agreement and I'm talking

443
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to the individual who had just come off

444
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the property and so this looks really

445
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bad

446
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and basically the psychic was kind of

447
00:19:41,789 --> 00:19:40,119
like doing her thing on me I think she

448
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started giving more information about

449
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what she was into the organization that

450
00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:45,940
she was a part of and it's actually

451
00:19:51,719 --> 00:19:48,849
group that do this but yeah they're

452
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worried about things like Russian remote

453
00:19:57,239 --> 00:19:55,929
viewers Chinese remote viewers X remote

454
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viewers who have done things for the

455
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property under Bigelow possibly who were

456
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just going back for a walk down memory

457
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lane yeah it's interesting it is and

458
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earlier you said it's like they know you

459
00:20:12,450 --> 00:20:10,210
know and that's interesting because it

460
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seems like these people these high-level

461
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academics and scientists will come out

462
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to this area to research it and you're

463
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there you live there so if they know

464
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what's going on out here and how much

465
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activity there really is they seem to

466
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come to you and it's like hey man I know

467
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you're out here all the time you've

468
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probably seen some [\h__\h] they might have

469
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a

470
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wonder if this is somebody like one of

471
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my favorite guests was this individual

472
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who is a consultant on a lot of not only

473
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major motion pictures having to do with

474
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this sort of thing but also on the

475
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actual projects that have to do with

476
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this sort of thing and when you have

477
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those two nets casting at the same time

478
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that's when you know you know that's one

479
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of those moments and this individual was

480
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staying at the bed-and-breakfast I

481
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basically didn't know who he was when he

482
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started to tell me who he was my jaw hit

483
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the floor and he's got a buddy with them

484
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and the buddy works in a scientific lab

485
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and he said I can't even tell you what

486
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he does what he does makes what I do

487
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look like I'm so used car salesman and

488
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so you know your eyes really start to

489
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just get bigger and bigger to the

490
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possibilities what's really going on

491
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especially with the implementation of

492
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space force this is no joke yeah well it

493
00:22:03,779 --> 00:22:01,539
is so interesting because there's not a

494
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lot of places to stay out there so they

495
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find this bed and breakfast and you're

496
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the guy and that's kind of the the magic

497
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the you know the magic happens at that

498
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point and it is just really compelling

499
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because even 30 years ago the mindset of

500
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someone who goes out to rural Utah and

501
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stays at this bed-and-breakfast they

502
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might get a little loose-lipped because

503
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we weren't as connected as we are today

504
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so it might not be expected to appear in

505
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a book that's sold on Amazon or an

506
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anecdote told on a podcast that tens of

507
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thousands of people here that isolation

508
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kind of filters through what you know

509
00:22:44,639 --> 00:22:43,059
you expect it to stay isolated because

510
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you're in that environment so I don't

511
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know I just find that whole thing

512
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to be pretty compelling oh it literally

513
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back then and I say back then because

514
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there's a new era now unfortunately I

515
00:22:59,009 --> 00:22:56,879
went to the hotspots these areas of

516
00:23:02,009 --> 00:22:59,019
portals opening up and you know the

517
00:23:03,389 --> 00:23:02,019
guaranteed UFOs and maybe we'll see

518
00:23:05,249 --> 00:23:03,399
something cool and I went to these

519
00:23:07,229 --> 00:23:05,259
places just thousands of times the

520
00:23:09,979 --> 00:23:07,239
problem with that is I always went home

521
00:23:13,289 --> 00:23:09,989
afterwards and without the correct

522
00:23:15,269 --> 00:23:13,299
protocol whether it's Native American

523
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and saging myself before I go home or

524
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whether it's other protocols I didn't do

525
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:21,070
any of it I you know it's like a kid

526
00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:22,720
that had found a toy that he didn't know

527
00:23:27,810 --> 00:23:25,929
how to use and I was jamming back and

528
00:23:29,879 --> 00:23:27,820
forth every night mm-hm and so what

529
00:23:31,919 --> 00:23:29,889
happened is the property itself and

530
00:23:33,330 --> 00:23:31,929
actually this is the drawback is I

531
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eventually had to like leave the

532
00:23:39,509 --> 00:23:35,559
property because it just started having

533
00:23:42,239 --> 00:23:39,519
so much activity and I didn't like being

534
00:23:44,489 --> 00:23:42,249
home quote-unquote and having all that

535
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:44,499
activity taking place because that kind

536
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:45,730
of takes the fun out of going and

537
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,369
finding it when it's finding you mm-hmm

538
00:23:53,310 --> 00:23:50,799
and then I started having people coming

539
00:23:54,690 --> 00:23:53,320
and staying and they were involved with

540
00:23:57,570 --> 00:23:54,700
the paranormal and the secret was

541
00:23:59,009 --> 00:23:57,580
starting to get out and they were having

542
00:24:01,169 --> 00:23:59,019
interactions with this too and they were

543
00:24:02,009 --> 00:24:01,179
like oh my gosh this is awesome and I'm

544
00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:02,019
like I know really

545
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:05,830
so I've since moved but I do go back at

546
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,970
least once a month hmm so let's talk

547
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,919
about this new era you mentioned you

548
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:13,600
know everyone considers the skinwalker

549
00:24:19,019 --> 00:24:16,210
ranch synonymous with Bigelow he had

550
00:24:20,849 --> 00:24:19,029
this big facility with a big alien gray

551
00:24:23,340 --> 00:24:20,859
head stamped on the side of it

552
00:24:26,099 --> 00:24:23,350
but the ownership has changed hands

553
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:26,109
since then - a company called anta

554
00:24:30,330 --> 00:24:28,450
mantium which is you know I guess

555
00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:30,340
involves a figure that you refer to as

556
00:24:34,349 --> 00:24:32,769
the Wolverine as a pseudonym what can

557
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:34,359
you tell us about this changing of the

558
00:24:40,529 --> 00:24:37,690
hands or the new management it's so cool

559
00:24:43,139 --> 00:24:40,539
well it's interesting it's a political

560
00:24:46,259 --> 00:24:43,149
move in one way and we'll get into that

561
00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:46,269
but it's also just sort of the thing

562
00:24:51,650 --> 00:24:48,580
that wealthy people do now as they used

563
00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:51,660
to be they went out in hot-air balloons

564
00:24:56,050 --> 00:24:53,340
now they just like to collect these

565
00:25:00,320 --> 00:24:56,060
paranormal properties among some of them

566
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,330
this LLC adamantium obviously the name

567
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:02,640
comes from the I believe it's a Marvel

568
00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:05,370
character is Wolverine mm-hm and you

569
00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:07,710
know he has this upgrade quote-unquote

570
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:11,910
in his blood that makes him better and

571
00:25:16,970 --> 00:25:15,000
also has similarities to actual

572
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:16,980
skinwalker phenomena of the

573
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:19,110
shape-shifting there's a couple of

574
00:25:22,460 --> 00:25:21,030
interesting points there but more

575
00:25:26,060 --> 00:25:22,470
importantly it's a shell company that

576
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:26,070
can't be attacked and it's based out of

577
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:27,570
Delaware and they're doing actual

578
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:32,610
research they are catching actual craft

579
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:34,710
in the sky they're finding things out

580
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:37,020
about the property with trying to time

581
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:40,380
the opening of portals analyzing tremors

582
00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:44,220
all kinds of really intense research and

583
00:25:48,860 --> 00:25:46,440
they're a very good organization to do

584
00:25:51,380 --> 00:25:48,870
it and you say in one way it's a

585
00:25:52,910 --> 00:25:51,390
political move is that referring to the

586
00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:52,920
protections offered by a shell

587
00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:56,340
corporation I think so I think everybody

588
00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:58,500
involved so to speak is more protected

589
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:01,080
in this way the more that the property

590
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,050
is gained notoriety it's become obvious

591
00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:06,240
that anyone who owns it and let's face

592
00:26:10,940 --> 00:26:08,700
it if any of us were billionaires we

593
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:10,950
probably do the same thing you know just

594
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:13,310
oh that's a supercool paranormal reg and

595
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:15,930
I understand because they're put in a

596
00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:19,050
position of extreme liability you know

597
00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:22,860
when it's of government importance to

598
00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:26,340
the Department of Defense among many

599
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:29,400
other branches and you also have

600
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:30,810
branches of the government that aren't

601
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:32,490
even supposed to exist that are

602
00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:34,770
interested these rogue arms of

603
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:37,020
intelligence and then you have like the

604
00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:38,720
media is starting to get involved and

605
00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:41,220
locals I mean the secrets out you know

606
00:26:46,580 --> 00:26:43,140
you get weekend warriors there every

607
00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:46,590
weekend now and it's just not a good mix

608
00:26:53,540 --> 00:26:49,350
so I can understand why they put it in

609
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,550
an LLC and took a step back mm-hmm well

610
00:26:56,510 --> 00:26:55,200
you also mention something in the book

611
00:26:58,580 --> 00:26:56,520
that I'd never thought of but you

612
00:27:02,000 --> 00:26:58,590
mentioned an experiment where they

613
00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:02,010
planted some plants within the zones of

614
00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:04,679
paranormal activity and then some more

615
00:27:10,009 --> 00:27:07,470
distant from the ranch and there was a

616
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,019
difference in the quality of life of

617
00:27:14,509 --> 00:27:12,960
these plants and the ones that were

618
00:27:18,259 --> 00:27:14,519
inside the zone were a little more

619
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:18,269
damaged and that's gonna set off alarm

620
00:27:23,779 --> 00:27:21,090
bells to someone thinking oh man maybe

621
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:23,789
this is dangerous to all biology or

622
00:27:28,609 --> 00:27:26,399
maybe there's some radiation going on

623
00:27:31,340 --> 00:27:28,619
just the kind of things you don't want

624
00:27:32,989 --> 00:27:31,350
to be liable for if you are in charge of

625
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:32,999
a bunch of people working in an area

626
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:36,080
that maybe turns out to be unsafe

627
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:39,480
correct and it was like not just a

628
00:27:44,029 --> 00:27:41,369
little bit different I mean like one

629
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:44,039
plant was toast and the other was like

630
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:47,940
doing really well and they have found

631
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,110
that there's like a higher rate of

632
00:27:54,259 --> 00:27:51,360
cancer brain cancer there's a higher

633
00:27:58,519 --> 00:27:54,269
rate of other diseases other things like

634
00:27:59,960 --> 00:27:58,529
ALS MS to put it in a a I don't know I

635
00:28:02,480 --> 00:27:59,970
don't know how to like get it across

636
00:28:04,299 --> 00:28:02,490
it's just not probably unless like we

637
00:28:06,409 --> 00:28:04,309
were talking about people are going to

638
00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:06,419
cleanse themselves of some of these

639
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:08,340
areas therein that are highly energized

640
00:28:13,789 --> 00:28:10,440
I mean it's just their portal locations

641
00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:13,799
pretty much and for whatever reasons

642
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:16,769
there's different underground seismic

643
00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:18,210
activity happening in these locations

644
00:28:25,009 --> 00:28:22,409
higher electromagnetic frequencies radon

645
00:28:28,450 --> 00:28:25,019
gas in many cases you know when you see

646
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:28,460
these lights close up the typical

647
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:32,039
problem and it's quite common is these

648
00:28:38,180 --> 00:28:34,679
people end up with cancer and it's

649
00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:38,190
either skin cancer or deeper cancer it's

650
00:28:43,820 --> 00:28:41,100
oftentimes involves lymph nodes or the

651
00:28:46,009 --> 00:28:43,830
blood itself like leukemia it's not a

652
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:46,019
good environment yeah I get the

653
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:48,179
impression that there are some baked in

654
00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:51,090
universal mechanisms to keep the

655
00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:53,940
dimensions separate whether you think of

656
00:28:58,430 --> 00:28:56,220
just one spiritual dimension or

657
00:29:02,330 --> 00:28:58,440
something there's definitely supposed to

658
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:02,340
be a hierarchy or some separation at

659
00:29:06,649 --> 00:29:03,690
least between them and we've heard

660
00:29:09,019 --> 00:29:06,659
stories of old ascended masters coming

661
00:29:12,049 --> 00:29:09,029
down and teaching people and saying

662
00:29:14,180 --> 00:29:12,059
things like I can't stay here long or if

663
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:14,190
I'm here too long it'll start to hurt

664
00:29:18,499 --> 00:29:17,850
you and this kind of thing so I fully

665
00:29:20,979 --> 00:29:18,509
believe

666
00:29:24,499 --> 00:29:20,989
that there is something to that that

667
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:24,509
maybe crossing the streams is bad for

668
00:29:30,949 --> 00:29:28,559
your biology yeah it is bad and it's not

669
00:29:32,959 --> 00:29:30,959
just that there's a darkness I think in

670
00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:32,969
some of these areas that until you're in

671
00:29:38,239 --> 00:29:35,159
them they're kind of raw I don't want to

672
00:29:41,329 --> 00:29:38,249
really call it dark but it's very raw

673
00:29:42,949 --> 00:29:41,339
and in a lot of cases you're not going

674
00:29:44,869 --> 00:29:42,959
to have like sidewalks or you you're

675
00:29:46,699 --> 00:29:44,879
gonna be walking your dog late at night

676
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:46,709
things like that no there's like actual

677
00:29:53,059 --> 00:29:50,849
predators that eat your dog and could

678
00:29:55,999 --> 00:29:53,069
eat you I mean there's Cougars and

679
00:30:01,609 --> 00:29:56,009
coyotes everywhere and it's not not

680
00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:01,619
forgiving territory man well I do a lot

681
00:30:05,419 --> 00:30:03,179
of things that aren't good for me so I

682
00:30:07,969 --> 00:30:05,429
definitely understand the attraction of

683
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:07,979
putting yourself in that mix despite the

684
00:30:14,269 --> 00:30:11,609
risks and dangers and I wanted to read a

685
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:14,279
little bit from this latest book where

686
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:16,769
you refer to this character the

687
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:20,129
Wolverine as a surreal real-life

688
00:30:24,199 --> 00:30:22,529
superhero and that he is trying to get

689
00:30:26,779 --> 00:30:24,209
to the truth of this high strangeness

690
00:30:28,819 --> 00:30:26,789
going on much like Robert Bigelow a

691
00:30:30,469 --> 00:30:28,829
larger-than-life personality who

692
00:30:32,209 --> 00:30:30,479
succeeds that everything he becomes

693
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:32,219
involved with and it's interesting

694
00:30:37,939 --> 00:30:35,369
because it seems like in the last few

695
00:30:40,699 --> 00:30:37,949
years there's a lot of gamesmanship

696
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:40,709
around this very thing American cosmic

697
00:30:45,229 --> 00:30:42,569
as I mentioned seems to reveal some

698
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:45,239
things the two of the stars Academy

699
00:30:50,419 --> 00:30:47,849
feign happened the Pentagon did disclose

700
00:30:52,819 --> 00:30:50,429
a recent program for investigating these

701
00:30:54,709 --> 00:30:52,829
things Podesta and Hillary were talking

702
00:30:56,899 --> 00:30:54,719
about this stuff before the election the

703
00:30:58,849 --> 00:30:56,909
CIA even disclosed some remote-viewing

704
00:31:02,419 --> 00:30:58,859
stuff from Project Starrcade

705
00:31:04,819 --> 00:31:02,429
I just feel a weird energy around the

706
00:31:08,209 --> 00:31:04,829
idea of revealing these things obviously

707
00:31:10,999 --> 00:31:08,219
disinformation is at play but how do you

708
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,009
assess these last couple years and the

709
00:31:16,129 --> 00:31:13,440
idea that we're close to some sort of

710
00:31:18,529 --> 00:31:16,139
revealing it feels potent I think we are

711
00:31:20,779 --> 00:31:18,539
I almost don't even think it's a

712
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,789
question of disclosure anymore it's

713
00:31:27,469 --> 00:31:22,799
almost like soft disclosures already

714
00:31:30,949 --> 00:31:27,479
happened and now all it is is waiting

715
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:30,959
for this footprint to kind of get blown

716
00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:32,850
around the rest of the population and

717
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:36,440
I do think that a lot of this is

718
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:39,720
worrisome to government I'm not a fan of

719
00:31:45,620 --> 00:31:42,690
government I'm like completely not a fan

720
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:45,630
of government however anybody in the

721
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,450
ruling class would be sweating under the

722
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:51,120
collar a little bit the moment anything

723
00:31:55,390 --> 00:31:52,650
and everything is possible in this

724
00:31:58,430 --> 00:31:55,400
matrix that they are supposedly

725
00:32:01,970 --> 00:31:58,440
controlling mm-hmm it's the ultimate

726
00:32:03,770 --> 00:32:01,980
monkey wrench in the system indeed and

727
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:03,780
you mentioned that perhaps soft

728
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:06,570
disclosure has already happened and I

729
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:08,370
agree with you but like I said in the

730
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,170
introduction there are just so many

731
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,960
different angles and perspectives to

732
00:32:18,860 --> 00:32:15,120
this whole phenomenon being someone

733
00:32:20,540 --> 00:32:18,870
who's there at Ground Zero if I were to

734
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:20,550
say to you I guess okay so soft

735
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:23,070
disclosures happened where would I see

736
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:26,370
it you know what researchers or what

737
00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:29,880
angles do you look at as being the

738
00:32:36,380 --> 00:32:33,030
closest to the actual truth as you see

739
00:32:42,530 --> 00:32:36,390
it the unfortunate reality of this is

740
00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:42,540
that it is a association between either

741
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:46,020
a intra dimensional plasma intelligence

742
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:47,910
that's noncorporeal doesn't need a body

743
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:52,050
in many cases and can assume body as if

744
00:32:57,170 --> 00:32:55,530
it does and at least the sense that we

745
00:33:00,200 --> 00:32:57,180
perceive them as something they aren't

746
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:00,210
but we're talking about intelligences

747
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:02,970
communicating with individuals and so

748
00:33:07,270 --> 00:33:05,690
there's really no way

749
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:07,280
there's a lot of researchers that are

750
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:09,710
very close but I really think it's the

751
00:33:16,420 --> 00:33:13,370
elephant in the darkroom some have the

752
00:33:19,020 --> 00:33:16,430
snout others have the tail and they're

753
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:19,030
all touching it but the agreement

754
00:33:26,350 --> 00:33:22,850
especially politically between some of

755
00:33:28,510 --> 00:33:26,360
these deep organizations it's just a

756
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:28,520
shotgun blast against the wall you know

757
00:33:33,610 --> 00:33:31,360
nobody's in line with one another and I

758
00:33:35,860 --> 00:33:33,620
believe it will remain a mystery until

759
00:33:41,170 --> 00:33:35,870
there's some form of like hey it's okay

760
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:41,180
to disagree right so but obviously that

761
00:33:47,050 --> 00:33:44,170
truth that core truth is going to be in

762
00:33:49,890 --> 00:33:47,060
line with a bunch of other angles that

763
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:49,900
would be fiction so you think it's some

764
00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:52,130
multi-dimensional space obviously we've

765
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:53,720
talked about portals but it seems like

766
00:33:58,180 --> 00:33:55,490
we're also kind of talking about two

767
00:34:00,850 --> 00:33:58,190
different things some kind of non-human

768
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:00,860
entity that is coming in and out of our

769
00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:03,310
reality through these portals and then

770
00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:05,990
skinwalkers which are human Native

771
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:08,870
American shamans who have mastered some

772
00:34:14,169 --> 00:34:11,570
practice of shape-shifting maybe that's

773
00:34:16,750 --> 00:34:14,179
due to the qualities of the environment

774
00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:16,760
but how many different things do you

775
00:34:21,070 --> 00:34:17,960
think we're dealing with here I mean

776
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:21,080
those are probably two distinct

777
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,410
phenomenon at least right they are in

778
00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:27,200
that there's multiple phenomena taking

779
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:29,120
place here and that's the beauty of this

780
00:34:35,710 --> 00:34:33,679
it's like showing up at you're expecting

781
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:35,720
it to be a Catholic Mass and what you

782
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:39,050
end up with something like the EDC

783
00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:42,169
festival everything is in these areas at

784
00:34:48,490 --> 00:34:44,950
times there's been situations where

785
00:34:50,610 --> 00:34:48,500
again I can't use names or even

786
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:50,620
organizations that they belong to but

787
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,169
researchers have seen actual portals

788
00:34:58,540 --> 00:34:56,480
opening up the researchers are watching

789
00:35:01,180 --> 00:34:58,550
the portals opening up and then they

790
00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:01,190
look over and there's greys watching the

791
00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:03,550
portals opening up it's like there's

792
00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:06,470
random coincidences that can't be

793
00:35:11,050 --> 00:35:08,390
explained or synchronicities if you will

794
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:11,060
as soon as this dimensional rift is

795
00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:16,610
opened it's kind of a anything goes man

796
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:19,500
so we know what skinwalkers generally

797
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:21,480
look like we know what an alien gray

798
00:35:26,660 --> 00:35:24,480
looks like are there other types of

799
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:26,670
humanoids especially in the context of

800
00:35:31,460 --> 00:35:28,650
something coming through a portal

801
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:31,470
are there other shapes or forms that you

802
00:35:35,830 --> 00:35:33,690
could describe that you know have been

803
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:35,840
seen in that area

804
00:35:40,860 --> 00:35:38,480
yeah there are what can only be

805
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:40,870
described as Raptor like creatures or

806
00:35:48,010 --> 00:35:46,400
small dinosaurs huh there are blue balls

807
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:48,020
of light that fly around they look like

808
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:50,740
it's like a blue liquid like selsun blue

809
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:52,910
spiraling around inside of like a

810
00:35:58,660 --> 00:35:56,570
fishbowl and there's other things like

811
00:36:01,600 --> 00:35:58,670
you were talking about the skinwalker

812
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:01,610
aspect the actual which elemental spirit

813
00:36:06,670 --> 00:36:05,090
aspect every one of these witches create

814
00:36:10,030 --> 00:36:06,680
what they consider a familiar a

815
00:36:12,430 --> 00:36:10,040
spiritual servant huh these elemental

816
00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:12,440
spirits are basically just elaborate

817
00:36:17,950 --> 00:36:15,070
thought forms very similar to like in

818
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:17,960
the Kabbalah the way they would make the

819
00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:20,330
columns out of mud and the procedure

820
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:23,240
that gives life to this in this physical

821
00:36:30,510 --> 00:36:27,110
world is similar but not completely the

822
00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:30,520
same but it's the same powerful familiar

823
00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:32,870
keeping them in line there's like a

824
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:35,630
hierarchy of these in many covens if you

825
00:36:40,780 --> 00:36:38,690
will so if you do this for generations

826
00:36:44,170 --> 00:36:40,790
and generations no matter where you are

827
00:36:47,350 --> 00:36:44,180
whether it's the Middle East or the even

828
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,360
a basin of Utah and this is what Jack

829
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:49,520
velay found or one thing that I probably

830
00:36:54,460 --> 00:36:50,800
shouldn't even say his name

831
00:36:56,770 --> 00:36:54,470
but there's commonalities these are

832
00:37:00,640 --> 00:36:56,780
tricksters in a lot of cases that are

833
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:00,650
very similar to Djinn in that they can

834
00:37:05,260 --> 00:37:02,510
manifest out of this

835
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:05,270
it looks like bugs like a mist like a

836
00:37:12,030 --> 00:37:08,450
black smokeless fire if you will and

837
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:12,040
it'll just like swoosh into forms

838
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:14,510
usually at night on a new moon so you

839
00:37:20,350 --> 00:37:16,900
can't really you just catching glimpses

840
00:37:22,450 --> 00:37:20,360
it'll do it in the day sometimes hmm

841
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:22,460
there's something going on here that

842
00:37:29,260 --> 00:37:25,340
this particular entity the Djinn like

843
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:29,270
trickster it just wants to interact with

844
00:37:35,950 --> 00:37:32,810
the observer so it mimics in a lot of

845
00:37:40,450 --> 00:37:35,960
ways it will become something that you

846
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:40,460
expect to see hmm while then maybe just

847
00:37:45,490 --> 00:37:42,890
one of the properties of this place is

848
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:45,500
that thoughts can come to life with less

849
00:37:51,350 --> 00:37:48,780
effort I definitely think that they can

850
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:51,360
but maybe it just is a kind of place

851
00:37:57,590 --> 00:37:54,240
where that is amplified and just quite

852
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,600
potent and you mentioned organizations

853
00:38:01,760 --> 00:37:59,760
some that you can't name but one that I

854
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:01,770
believe we can name is the National

855
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:04,110
Institute for discovery science can you

856
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:05,910
tell us a little bit more about them or

857
00:38:11,060 --> 00:38:09,540
where they are now yeah they were the

858
00:38:15,110 --> 00:38:11,070
first third time that I knew of

859
00:38:18,980 --> 00:38:15,120
they were the all-star team top

860
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:18,990
scientists whether physicists or with

861
00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:21,480
essentially traits that encompass all of

862
00:38:26,330 --> 00:38:23,390
these practices a lot of

863
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,340
nanotechnologists they attack this with

864
00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:28,320
the scientific method and you know

865
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:30,990
although they came away saying we didn't

866
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:33,810
succeed at least in their own eyes these

867
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:35,310
are the best the best they're not used

868
00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:39,650
to anything other than total success and

869
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:42,080
instead what they found is that

870
00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:45,690
trickster mentality would just know it

871
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:48,270
was precognitive if you would think of

872
00:38:55,340 --> 00:38:51,510
it it was 1 to 10 steps ahead of you

873
00:38:57,860 --> 00:38:55,350
however they did find sometimes using

874
00:39:02,180 --> 00:38:57,870
random number generation they were able

875
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:02,190
to throw a curveball hmm I know valet

876
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:05,370
has said something to the effect of when

877
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:08,640
you look at the UFO spikes and the hot

878
00:39:14,330 --> 00:39:12,210
pockets it suggests a schedule of

879
00:39:18,110 --> 00:39:14,340
reinforcement some kind of like

880
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:18,120
Pavlovian training and that's a really

881
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,910
provocative idea maybe it is like

882
00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:23,280
something the trickster has set up but

883
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:28,680
have you been able to maybe clock these

884
00:39:35,790 --> 00:39:32,160
things or see a pattern yourself as to

885
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:35,800
win the best chances to go out are

886
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:38,290
yeah there's a lot of things they love

887
00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:42,010
but as an observer the less comfortable

888
00:39:48,090 --> 00:39:43,900
you are the better if you're not

889
00:39:50,340 --> 00:39:48,100
familiar with exactly what's going on or

890
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:50,350
where you're at but you just know you're

891
00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:51,280
in the right spot

892
00:39:55,530 --> 00:39:53,350
that's ideal you know with GPS

893
00:39:57,690 --> 00:39:55,540
coordinates or whatever because anything

894
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:57,700
that you can think in advance so if you

895
00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:00,880
bring a flashlight guess what you're

896
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:03,640
probably not going to need it if you

897
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,530
bring a voice recorder you're probably

898
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:06,880
not going to need it's the less you

899
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,760
bring the better but just bring the

900
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:11,440
awareness that whatever you put your

901
00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:14,770
mind into will actually manifest and by

902
00:40:18,690 --> 00:40:17,260
that I mean a lot of the best examples

903
00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:18,700
that I've had personally with other

904
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:21,400
researchers are if somebody is thinking

905
00:40:26,850 --> 00:40:24,490
about something for example there was a

906
00:40:29,490 --> 00:40:26,860
trip where one of us was thinking about

907
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:29,500
getting caught red and blue lights even

908
00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:30,850
though we had every permission to be

909
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:33,880
where we were at and basically red and

910
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:36,640
blue lights appeared in the distance and

911
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:38,290
started flashing and coming towards you

912
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:40,690
know in an area where there's no Road

913
00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:43,090
and it's only when they come closer that

914
00:40:48,359 --> 00:40:45,190
you realize that this is all just kind

915
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:48,369
of like a hologram or a representation

916
00:40:57,390 --> 00:40:54,250
of somebody's fear hmm wow man in that

917
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:57,400
pattern element it just really makes me

918
00:41:03,390 --> 00:41:00,720
think about that idea of an ancient

919
00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:03,400
artificial intelligence in place I've

920
00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:05,950
had shows that covered the angle that

921
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:07,780
the earth might have been in some sort

922
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:10,930
of quarantine form from something deep

923
00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:13,440
in our past that there could be some

924
00:41:18,359 --> 00:41:16,150
technological systems still on autopilot

925
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,369
that people are dealing with even that

926
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:21,040
perhaps the Van Allen radiation belt is

927
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:23,410
something to keep us in what are your

928
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:25,770
thoughts on that the fact that maybe

929
00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:28,510
what we're dealing with today has

930
00:41:35,010 --> 00:41:31,830
something to do with the ancient past

931
00:41:36,930 --> 00:41:35,020
100 percent has changed I used to always

932
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:36,940
go out and that was very basic would say

933
00:41:41,849 --> 00:41:38,290
a little quick prayer you know to keep

934
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:41,859
me safe and I'd be on my way well that's

935
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:44,260
completely changed like now depending on

936
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:46,450
where I'm at the last time I was like in

937
00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:49,510
a real dark hot spot I use the in

938
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:52,230
of Thoth there's a back-up plan because

939
00:41:57,630 --> 00:41:54,490
can't you better than like the Egyptian

940
00:41:59,640 --> 00:41:57,640
of God magic and writing and you're

941
00:42:01,740 --> 00:41:59,650
throwing these things out there just

942
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:01,750
like insurance policies really because

943
00:42:08,370 --> 00:42:05,770
the truth is a lot of these deeper

944
00:42:12,570 --> 00:42:08,380
teachings like Egypt I mean you have

945
00:42:13,830 --> 00:42:12,580
these demigods the heads of dogs the

946
00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:13,840
bodies of man mm-hmm

947
00:42:17,609 --> 00:42:15,430
and others that look more like the

948
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:17,619
avians you know with the head of a bird

949
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:20,890
in the body of a man look Thoth and this

950
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:22,330
is just blatant in-your-face stuff

951
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:24,490
without even getting into the community

952
00:42:31,830 --> 00:42:28,690
forum and the deep deep deep teachings

953
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:31,840
this is just on the surface and it's

954
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,720
very alien like it is and it's also

955
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:37,359
provocative like you say to have this

956
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:40,810
culture that drew a lot of depictions of

957
00:42:47,580 --> 00:42:43,690
animal headed humanoids and then we also

958
00:42:50,190 --> 00:42:47,590
have these indigenous Native American

959
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:50,200
tribes who also have this practice of

960
00:42:57,540 --> 00:42:54,609
high magic and animal headed humanoids I

961
00:43:00,570 --> 00:42:57,550
don't know it's very strange that it

962
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:00,580
seems like perhaps a culture that has

963
00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:03,730
been I can't say undisturbed by the

964
00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:05,350
Western world of course they've been

965
00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:08,080
quite disturbed but they still have some

966
00:43:14,010 --> 00:43:10,150
other culture intact and it harkens back

967
00:43:17,130 --> 00:43:14,020
to that same kind of possibly Egyptian

968
00:43:20,010 --> 00:43:17,140
magic I think that is fascinating it is

969
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:20,020
it's extremely fascinating the

970
00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:23,050
correlations between it's a deep dark

971
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:25,780
Google search but if you go down the

972
00:43:29,790 --> 00:43:28,480
rabbit hole and you start googling Djinn

973
00:43:32,430 --> 00:43:29,800
invocations

974
00:43:34,620 --> 00:43:32,440
Middle East and videos and like the

975
00:43:35,790 --> 00:43:34,630
candles are using and the stuff they're

976
00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:35,800
writing on the ground in the direction

977
00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:38,830
they're basing all this and then you

978
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:40,630
compare it to some of these other

979
00:43:45,060 --> 00:43:42,310
cultures you're finding out they're

980
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:45,070
using almost the exact same basic tool

981
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:48,880
and how do they know it in a lot of

982
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:50,650
these cases you're talking about people

983
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:52,930
that are you know removed by geography

984
00:44:00,780 --> 00:43:58,090
and time and it's wild mm-hmm man and on

985
00:44:03,010 --> 00:44:00,790
the subject of portals and covert

986
00:44:05,140 --> 00:44:03,020
research let me grab another quote for

987
00:44:07,450 --> 00:44:05,150
this unreleased book where you say I

988
00:44:09,790 --> 00:44:07,460
have long maintained that there was a

989
00:44:11,950 --> 00:44:09,800
Russian element of research near this

990
00:44:13,690 --> 00:44:11,960
area this was because of inside

991
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,700
information I got about an

992
00:44:18,580 --> 00:44:15,920
under-the-table land grab purchased with

993
00:44:21,490 --> 00:44:18,590
Spanish gold bars possibly from the lost

994
00:44:24,460 --> 00:44:21,500
roads mined by a Russian named Slugger

995
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:24,470
Slugger said the property was to be used

996
00:44:28,450 --> 00:44:26,510
for portal technology he said that his

997
00:44:31,090 --> 00:44:28,460
organization would put things into a

998
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:31,100
man-made Stargate that was put in this

999
00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:33,770
precise location to gain power the

1000
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:35,750
objects that were placed in the stargate

1001
00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:38,240
machine would arrive in florida fifteen

1002
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:39,950
minutes later at another Stargate

1003
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:42,290
machine the location in Florida was said

1004
00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:45,760
to be Cape Coral Jesus man

1005
00:44:51,970 --> 00:44:48,680
that's quite a paragraph can you

1006
00:44:54,940 --> 00:44:51,980
elaborate at all on that yeah it was

1007
00:44:57,460 --> 00:44:54,950
just a weird deal where I got a phone

1008
00:45:00,430 --> 00:44:57,470
call and it sounded really interesting I

1009
00:45:02,740 --> 00:45:00,440
went to the office of the realtor and

1010
00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:02,750
they told me what was going on basically

1011
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:05,060
and it was a crazy story I wasn't

1012
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:08,330
checked out the area very plain but went

1013
00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:11,200
back at night not playing at all

1014
00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:15,470
realized that a lot of the same aspects

1015
00:45:22,030 --> 00:45:18,470
were similar power lines going right

1016
00:45:25,870 --> 00:45:22,040
through lots of water massive cliff

1017
00:45:29,110 --> 00:45:25,880
lines same basic trajectory if you will

1018
00:45:30,580 --> 00:45:29,120
along the landscape and all these

1019
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:30,590
similarities were in place and it was

1020
00:45:35,710 --> 00:45:32,720
like oh my gosh like are what are we

1021
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:35,720
missing here like there's an actual

1022
00:45:42,670 --> 00:45:39,200
threat and it is Russian unfortunately

1023
00:45:46,270 --> 00:45:42,680
and in some cases Chinese and they're

1024
00:45:49,870 --> 00:45:46,280
trying to duplicate what they believe we

1025
00:45:51,820 --> 00:45:49,880
got and I don't know what it is they

1026
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:51,830
think we've got well actually I do

1027
00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:55,490
but we've got a lot it's a threat I

1028
00:46:01,330 --> 00:45:58,250
guess it's got to be treated as one well

1029
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:01,340
what do we got that you don't think even

1030
00:46:06,370 --> 00:46:03,290
listeners of a show like this know we

1031
00:46:09,340 --> 00:46:06,380
got I mean just drones I guess we call

1032
00:46:12,430 --> 00:46:09,350
them now but you know we've had these

1033
00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:12,440
quote-unquote drones that are able to do

1034
00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:16,680
very effective jobs of surveillance

1035
00:46:22,970 --> 00:46:21,000
and have been used in rural areas since

1036
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:22,980
possibly as early as the seventies

1037
00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:25,650
according to some estimations and I mean

1038
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:26,760
we're talking about little tiny

1039
00:46:35,329 --> 00:46:30,770
triangles little tiny reverse-engineered

1040
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:35,339
really crazy anti-graft stuff and a lot

1041
00:46:40,730 --> 00:46:37,529
of this stuff and fortunately if you're

1042
00:46:42,049 --> 00:46:40,740
on the right path some of it is actually

1043
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,059
being leaked by the Russians themselves

1044
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:44,880
the older stuff and you're seeing that

1045
00:46:52,510 --> 00:46:47,609
they have this quote-unquote reversed

1046
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:52,520
engineered idea but it's way late

1047
00:46:59,210 --> 00:46:56,250
provocative and you have a few lines

1048
00:47:01,700 --> 00:46:59,220
about Podesta and Tom DeLonge in that

1049
00:47:02,779 --> 00:47:01,710
book and a lot of people don't trust

1050
00:47:06,109 --> 00:47:02,789
these sources

1051
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:06,119
I agree rightfully so but if their angle

1052
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:09,690
was disinformation what do you see as

1053
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:12,450
the deception what are they steering us

1054
00:47:15,890 --> 00:47:14,490
towards and what are they steering us

1055
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,900
away from that you think would be

1056
00:47:19,799 --> 00:47:17,680
important

1057
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:19,809
you know I don't like to call it

1058
00:47:26,670 --> 00:47:23,890
deception it is different perception

1059
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:26,680
that's what I think it is and I think

1060
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,049
these guys are just they're just wanting

1061
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:31,839
the same thing as anybody which is more

1062
00:47:34,859 --> 00:47:34,450
answers yeah there's disinformation out

1063
00:47:37,410 --> 00:47:34,869
there

1064
00:47:41,309 --> 00:47:37,420
sure Project Blue Beam was a real thing

1065
00:47:44,190 --> 00:47:41,319
could still be but at the end of the day

1066
00:47:47,249 --> 00:47:44,200
there's actual entities interacting with

1067
00:47:49,739 --> 00:47:47,259
us in areas like Sedona you in a basin

1068
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:49,749
and it's a lot more common than people

1069
00:47:55,499 --> 00:47:53,049
are realizing and I hate to sound like

1070
00:47:57,509 --> 00:47:55,509
the crazy guy but I love to go out with

1071
00:48:02,120 --> 00:47:57,519
my skeptic buddies they're the very best

1072
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:02,130
because you don't have to say too much

1073
00:48:07,620 --> 00:48:05,890
when they see it the first thing is just

1074
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:07,630
the immediate quick little micro

1075
00:48:13,710 --> 00:48:11,410
meltdown I don't get it whoah and it's

1076
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:13,720
kind of like no it's been here before

1077
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:15,670
your very eyes it's just nobody goes out

1078
00:48:23,849 --> 00:48:21,910
to look I agree with you man and as this

1079
00:48:28,349 --> 00:48:23,859
thing is kind of approaching the finish

1080
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,359
line what have we left out maybe or what

1081
00:48:32,789 --> 00:48:30,880
could be said to make this the Super

1082
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:32,799
Show we set out to make I think it's

1083
00:48:37,979 --> 00:48:35,680
actually quite good and full of little

1084
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:37,989
nuggets that I think are enjoyable but

1085
00:48:42,089 --> 00:48:39,730
are there other pieces of the big puzzle

1086
00:48:44,910 --> 00:48:42,099
that we should fold in to make this

1087
00:48:47,749 --> 00:48:44,920
whole thing more complete well there is

1088
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:47,759
this critical and groundbreaking

1089
00:48:56,479 --> 00:48:52,170
political war that we have going on and

1090
00:48:59,819 --> 00:48:56,489
it is permeating every aspect from

1091
00:49:02,160 --> 00:48:59,829
ufology to deep underground military

1092
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:02,170
bases whoever you're talking to secret

1093
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,440
societies somehow this is becoming it's

1094
00:49:09,660 --> 00:49:07,920
not a pretty picture that even

1095
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,670
organizations that should be working

1096
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:11,920
together are letting politics get in the

1097
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:15,430
mix so to speak but you know there's a

1098
00:49:20,269 --> 00:49:17,710
lot to it or could be witchcraft babylon

1099
00:49:23,729 --> 00:49:20,279
working spirit capable secret deals

1100
00:49:25,650 --> 00:49:23,739
space force and typically the end of a

1101
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:25,660
lot of things at the end of religion

1102
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,130
could be the end of the church could be

1103
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:29,200
very likely the end of pope francis in

1104
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:30,640
the catholic church

1105
00:49:34,579 --> 00:49:33,730
and this is just a magical time for so

1106
00:49:38,460 --> 00:49:34,589
many things

1107
00:49:41,249 --> 00:49:38,470
mm-hmm food for thought for sure and we

1108
00:49:45,019 --> 00:49:41,259
know more than we did two years ago I

1109
00:49:48,569 --> 00:49:45,029
gotta say so that's something and

1110
00:49:51,630 --> 00:49:48,579
whenever I have guests who have an array

1111
00:49:54,779 --> 00:49:51,640
of strange paranormal experiences it's

1112
00:49:57,059 --> 00:49:54,789
pretty common for me to ask about you

1113
00:49:58,979 --> 00:49:57,069
know well where should I go or what

1114
00:50:01,650 --> 00:49:58,989
could I do but a lot of these people

1115
00:50:04,019 --> 00:50:01,660
don't have bed and breakfasts so I guess

1116
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:04,029
I would ask if someone were to stay at

1117
00:50:08,729 --> 00:50:05,890
your bed-and-breakfast and then explore

1118
00:50:11,789 --> 00:50:08,739
the surrounding area of their own free

1119
00:50:15,150 --> 00:50:11,799
will is it close enough to some of the

1120
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,160
hotspots of activity that one might see

1121
00:50:19,769 --> 00:50:18,160
something yeah and I wouldn't even get

1122
00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:19,779
caught up in like you know do you have

1123
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:21,400
to be here and do you have to be there

1124
00:50:27,019 --> 00:50:23,920
it's anywhere really you just have to be

1125
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:27,029
in the area the area would be anywhere

1126
00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:30,180
along Interstate 40 in the Uintah Basin

1127
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:34,390
between the strawberry pinnacles which

1128
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:37,359
are these two Rock antennae that kind of

1129
00:50:42,809 --> 00:50:38,890
jet up in this Canyon where a lot of

1130
00:50:45,269 --> 00:50:42,819
UFOs are and pretty much vernal or the

1131
00:50:47,779 --> 00:50:45,279
Colorado border on the same stretch

1132
00:50:51,479 --> 00:50:47,789
anything along that corridor basically

1133
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:51,489
high strangeness it's very similar to

1134
00:50:56,910 --> 00:50:54,130
the 37th parallel you know Ben Mezrich

1135
00:51:00,200 --> 00:50:56,920
exhibition it's like a corridor high

1136
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:00,210
strangeness mmm interstellar highway

1137
00:51:09,989 --> 00:51:06,160
hahaha right on well maybe I will spend

1138
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:09,999
some time out there or take some road

1139
00:51:16,109 --> 00:51:12,609
trips along that corridor or maybe look

1140
00:51:17,970 --> 00:51:16,119
into that bed-and-breakfast sometime but

1141
00:51:19,859 --> 00:51:17,980
it would be a dream to see even a

1142
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:19,869
quarter of the things you've seen man

1143
00:51:26,489 --> 00:51:23,529
and I do appreciate you writing the

1144
00:51:28,170 --> 00:51:26,499
books and reaching out and talking to me

1145
00:51:30,479 --> 00:51:28,180
and coming here with all this great info

1146
00:51:32,430 --> 00:51:30,489
I think people are really gonna love it

1147
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:32,440
before we call it in do remind them

1148
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:34,450
where they can get more what you're

1149
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:38,160
doing and follow your work you bet it's

1150
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:40,960
basically all available on Ryan Patrick

1151
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:43,730
burns column where you can

1152
00:51:49,630 --> 00:51:46,160
that easy I should mention one more

1153
00:51:52,839 --> 00:51:49,640
actually you can find on Facebook you

1154
00:51:56,289 --> 00:51:52,849
can find me at space wolf research okay

1155
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,299
okay and I saw some references to you

1156
00:52:00,579 --> 00:51:58,880
within the context of hero paranormal

1157
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,589
but it seems like that websites not

1158
00:52:04,839 --> 00:52:02,240
active what's the deal there

1159
00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:04,849
yeah hero paranormal is now just a

1160
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:07,670
Facebook page we still do stuff on there

1161
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:10,490
but it's not as active as it used to be

1162
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:13,849
so we disbanded the actual webpage and

1163
00:52:21,849 --> 00:52:17,770
it was getting all kinds of attacks as

1164
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:21,859
you do tend to get but very much

1165
00:52:26,620 --> 00:52:25,040
appreciate a man I had a great time keep

1166
00:52:31,050 --> 00:52:26,630
up the great work and stay safe out

1167
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:31,060
there okay so what's great appreciated

1168
00:52:35,050 --> 00:52:33,170
while there ain't no party like a

1169
00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:35,060
skinwalker party cuz the skinwalker

1170
00:52:43,330 --> 00:52:39,190
party don't stop Ryan Patrick burns

1171
00:52:44,980 --> 00:52:43,340
another Plus member turned guests you

1172
00:52:48,670 --> 00:52:44,990
know when I look at our shows for April

1173
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:48,680
they are all shows that came to me and I

1174
00:52:52,990 --> 00:52:50,090
just said yeah let's do it

1175
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,000
J Dyer sent me his new book and got in

1176
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:55,040
contact and also mentioned that he

1177
00:53:00,220 --> 00:52:57,170
listened to the KJ show just before we

1178
00:53:02,830 --> 00:53:00,230
recorded Peter Allen was a listener who

1179
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:02,840
got in touch with me Randall Carlson was

1180
00:53:06,610 --> 00:53:05,570
prompted as a favor to America to

1181
00:53:09,730 --> 00:53:06,620
promote their event

1182
00:53:12,550 --> 00:53:09,740
Ryan is a plus member who said he had

1183
00:53:14,290 --> 00:53:12,560
some good insiders info and the next

1184
00:53:15,850 --> 00:53:14,300
show is also someone who brought me

1185
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:15,860
their work and asked if I'd be

1186
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,530
interested in covering it obviously only

1187
00:53:24,990 --> 00:53:20,960
recording five shows a month there's no

1188
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:25,000
way I could keep up with the requests

1189
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:28,250
but this month was pretty heavy on them

1190
00:53:32,980 --> 00:53:30,890
I don't know what that means it's just

1191
00:53:34,990 --> 00:53:32,990
an interesting thing that happened and

1192
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:35,000
I'm not complaining I think we've had a

1193
00:53:39,490 --> 00:53:37,130
great month of shows and it's not over

1194
00:53:41,950 --> 00:53:39,500
yet but wait until we get into May where

1195
00:53:44,860 --> 00:53:41,960
we actually get into the guest requests

1196
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:44,870
that I sent out I got some barn burners

1197
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:47,930
in the works let me tell you but never

1198
00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:49,910
mind all that I am just happy today's

1199
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:51,710
show turned out so well

1200
00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:53,450
I thought Ryan had some really

1201
00:53:58,570 --> 00:53:55,700
interesting stuff to share in fact I

1202
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:58,580
thought it complimented dr. Diana Paul

1203
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:01,280
silca really well because both of them

1204
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:03,290
have sort of rubbed elbows with these

1205
00:54:09,130 --> 00:54:06,800
people who are really in the know and we

1206
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:09,140
get to ride in their wake a little bit

1207
00:54:15,730 --> 00:54:12,530
and man they're just really are so many

1208
00:54:17,710 --> 00:54:15,740
dense and complex possibilities for

1209
00:54:20,980 --> 00:54:17,720
what's really happening at some of these

1210
00:54:24,370 --> 00:54:20,990
paranormal hotspots you know I've always

1211
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:24,380
liked the magical idea of a hierarchy of

1212
00:54:29,260 --> 00:54:27,290
realms and that you can kind of bring

1213
00:54:32,170 --> 00:54:29,270
your airy-fairy thoughts down from the

1214
00:54:34,330 --> 00:54:32,180
ethereal into the dense and solid world

1215
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:34,340
of the material and what if that

1216
00:54:39,730 --> 00:54:37,010
mechanism is stronger or weaker at

1217
00:54:41,860 --> 00:54:39,740
various places of the earth what if

1218
00:54:42,730 --> 00:54:41,870
these paranormal entities are literally

1219
00:54:45,250 --> 00:54:42,740
that they

1220
00:54:47,260 --> 00:54:45,260
of nightmares growing back centuries

1221
00:54:50,260 --> 00:54:47,270
maybe nightmares of people who aren't

1222
00:54:53,290 --> 00:54:50,270
even alive anymore I also like that idea

1223
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:53,300
that we're seeing these forms pop in and

1224
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:55,330
out of existence as if there's some

1225
00:55:01,780 --> 00:54:58,130
physical trace of remote viewers from

1226
00:55:03,730 --> 00:55:01,790
some other part of the universe remote

1227
00:55:07,530 --> 00:55:03,740
viewers do say that sometimes it feels

1228
00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:07,540
like something knows that they're there

1229
00:55:12,370 --> 00:55:10,040
you might remember an older show I did

1230
00:55:15,970 --> 00:55:12,380
with Gordon White who also just had dr.

1231
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,980
pasilla on a second time but there was

1232
00:55:20,290 --> 00:55:17,599
this older show we did where we got into

1233
00:55:22,570 --> 00:55:20,300
alien ghosts and that is just stuck with

1234
00:55:24,910 --> 00:55:22,580
me because we think about ghosts and

1235
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:24,920
spirits in this limited context of our

1236
00:55:30,430 --> 00:55:28,130
place on the earth but if we are in the

1237
00:55:33,490 --> 00:55:30,440
camp that other planets out there have

1238
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:33,500
life I think most of us are and these

1239
00:55:38,970 --> 00:55:35,690
things we deal with here have to be

1240
00:55:41,650 --> 00:55:38,980
scaled up you know to a cosmic level

1241
00:55:42,910 --> 00:55:41,660
remote viewing of course is one of those

1242
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:42,920
things that comes to mind because if

1243
00:55:47,470 --> 00:55:44,930
Russell Targ is telling us that space

1244
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:47,480
time distance none of that matters in

1245
00:55:54,190 --> 00:55:50,930
remote viewing then that would hold true

1246
00:55:55,620 --> 00:55:54,200
for some out there alien beings doing

1247
00:55:58,089 --> 00:55:55,630
remote viewing as well

1248
00:56:01,260 --> 00:55:58,099
remember dr. Jack hunter talking about

1249
00:56:05,290 --> 00:56:01,270
his vision of a floating goat head like

1250
00:56:07,930 --> 00:56:05,300
what is that I do not know but I think

1251
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:07,940
we're comfortably at the big kids table

1252
00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:10,010
now when it comes to breaking down the

1253
00:56:15,370 --> 00:56:13,190
possibilities I also thought the aspect

1254
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,380
of liability was pretty interesting that

1255
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:17,119
these dimensional rifts might be

1256
00:56:22,990 --> 00:56:19,970
cancer-causing or just generally bad for

1257
00:56:26,579 --> 00:56:23,000
Biological life think about some of the

1258
00:56:29,230 --> 00:56:26,589
shows we've done that get into alchemy

1259
00:56:32,050 --> 00:56:29,240
especially Ormus and these guys like Don

1260
00:56:34,210 --> 00:56:32,060
Nance they definitely have suffered

1261
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:34,220
health effects from [\h__\h] around with

1262
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:37,730
the transmutation of elements so that

1263
00:56:42,130 --> 00:56:40,130
idea that had corporation who buys

1264
00:56:43,810 --> 00:56:42,140
skinwalker ranch and wants to have

1265
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:43,820
people study it might be worried about

1266
00:56:50,620 --> 00:56:46,880
lawsuits and damage control it makes

1267
00:56:52,780 --> 00:56:50,630
sense but [\h__\h] you got companies like

1268
00:56:54,670 --> 00:56:52,790
Monsanto and DuPont who have been

1269
00:56:55,620 --> 00:56:54,680
poisoning the planet and its people for

1270
00:56:56,939 --> 00:56:55,630
decades

1271
00:57:00,329 --> 00:56:56,949
and they don't really seem to be

1272
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:00,339
sweating it anyway we do have another

1273
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:03,130
joint session tonight check social media

1274
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:05,529
and the plus site for the link about an

1275
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:08,170
hour beforehand and maybe I'll talk to

1276
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,680
you tonight at 7 p.m. Pacific these

1277
00:57:15,870 --> 00:57:13,599
joint sessions are always free for

1278
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,880
anyone to watch live or call in and

1279
00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:18,160
they're archived for those sweet sweet

1280
00:57:23,279 --> 00:57:20,380
Plus members that keep the fuel and the

1281
00:57:24,269 --> 00:57:23,289
THC tank consider signing up if you

1282
00:57:26,849 --> 00:57:24,279
haven't already

1283
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:26,859
I definitely think getting the full show

1284
00:57:33,059 --> 00:57:29,920
with these episodes is worth it but I

1285
00:57:35,789 --> 00:57:33,069
might be biased in this one we added

1286
00:57:39,329 --> 00:57:35,799
several logs to the fire talking about

1287
00:57:41,969 --> 00:57:39,339
what the Podesta Clinton team was

1288
00:57:43,620 --> 00:57:41,979
looking to do with disclosure we're

1289
00:57:45,569 --> 00:57:43,630
getting the idea that maybe the Machine

1290
00:57:48,269 --> 00:57:45,579
Elves people see actually built this

1291
00:57:51,059 --> 00:57:48,279
planet we talk about Ryan's personal

1292
00:57:53,969 --> 00:57:51,069
paranormal experiences and his stories

1293
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:53,979
from investigating the area and we get

1294
00:57:59,519 --> 00:57:56,319
into giants and whatever else is

1295
00:58:03,059 --> 00:57:59,529
underground in Utah Joe firmage in the

1296
00:58:06,059 --> 00:58:03,069
bouncing box that is super super

1297
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:06,069
interesting you got a look that up on

1298
00:58:10,140 --> 00:58:07,359
YouTube or something because it's

1299
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,150
impressive and we talked about Ryan's

1300
00:58:14,759 --> 00:58:12,640
thoughts on Steven paddock and that

1301
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:14,769
whole harvest festival shooting and how

1302
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:18,130
it did seem to connect to the space

1303
00:58:24,689 --> 00:58:20,910
industry in a few different ways and

1304
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:24,699
maybe it's related and last but

1305
00:58:32,819 --> 00:58:27,359
certainly not least we talked about

1306
00:58:34,979 --> 00:58:32,829
plasma-based intelligences people so

1307
00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:34,989
help me help you and sign up for the

1308
00:58:39,479 --> 00:58:37,390
higher side shots plus already you got

1309
00:58:42,209 --> 00:58:39,489
one foot in I think it's time to commit

1310
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,219
and with that I'm getting out of here

1311
00:58:46,170 --> 00:58:44,319
big thanks to Ryan for sharing his

1312
00:58:48,509 --> 00:58:46,180
insights with us I definitely liked his

1313
00:58:51,509 --> 00:58:48,519
books and I declare this meeting of the

1314
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:51,519
midnight society officially closed

1315
00:58:55,799 --> 00:58:54,130
your move deserts talk and skinwalkers

1316
00:59:03,100 --> 00:58:55,809
corporate hot spot quarantine errs and

1317
00:59:09,140 --> 00:59:06,530
lucid dreams are so vivid cuz you go to

1318
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:09,150
bed at 7:00 and your brain comes alive

1319
00:59:14,990 --> 00:59:12,660
cuz uhm nine to five you wake up with a

1320
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:15,000
dread and make sure your cats are fed

1321
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:17,490
did your brain talk to a ghost who moved

1322
00:59:24,290 --> 00:59:20,130
your coffee and toast as you listened to

1323
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:24,300
the higher side chats you get to your

1324
00:59:29,630 --> 00:59:26,760
desk and your boss says it's a mess and

1325
00:59:31,850 --> 00:59:29,640
your soul slowly goes to a place where

1326
00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:31,860
nothing grows when you think he's not

1327
00:59:39,470 --> 00:59:37,020
around you insert a SETI sound the OM

1328
00:59:43,550 --> 00:59:39,480
says turn it down and you say it's just

1329
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:43,560
the higher side chats oh do you think

1330
00:59:51,530 --> 00:59:46,850
you're being invited to Bohemian Grove

1331
00:59:55,850 --> 00:59:51,540
to a Bilderberg Club oh do you think

1332
01:00:00,740 --> 00:59:55,860
could be invited by Rasta to a party on

1333
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:03,110
to the center of the

1334
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:05,850
through the Marianas Trench your teeth

1335
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:08,010
begin to clinch from the sulphureus

1336
01:00:16,250 --> 01:00:13,370
stench the mask you give in doesn't fit

1337
01:00:18,730 --> 01:00:16,260
because you're not one of

1338
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:18,740
[Music]

1339
01:00:24,290 --> 01:00:21,690
starting today you'll make plans to get

1340
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:24,300
away there's no one to hold you down and

1341
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:27,000
the what if start to drown then you wake

1342
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:29,850
to the glare of a co fluorescent stare

1343
01:00:35,060 --> 01:00:32,700
and the light winks at you cuz its life

1344
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:35,070
is almost through but it's holding gone